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Title: Main Spar question (just curious)
Post by: John Reinking on July 28, 2016, 11:41:16 PM
I've seen where a number of different homebuilt aircraft use a box spar where the spar webbing is on both the front and back of the spar.   Would doing this with the DE main spar really increase it's strength?   

Just curious.
Title: Re: Main Spar question (just curious)
Post by: Tom H on July 29, 2016, 09:10:34 AM
A quick, and probably only partial answer, is that that design (box spar) is used in some aircraft.  Depending on the specifics, it could be stronger, could be heavier, too.  The Eagle design could be made to be stronger, and heavier/lighter, depending on the materials, etc..

The box spar you describe is often used to provide structure to resist twisting of the wing.  The Eagle spar does not provide much torsion structure.  The leading edge of the wing does provide some torsion structure.

Putting a box spar in the Eagles would need serious analysis.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Main Spar question (just curious)
Post by: John Reinking on July 29, 2016, 10:10:34 AM
Thanks, Tom.    Am keeping with Leonard's design but was curious about it.    The torsion twist is an issue that struck me.   No doubt that significant study would be required.    Thanks for your position.     John Reinking/Woodinville, WA
Title: Re: Main Spar question (just curious)
Post by: Dan_ on July 29, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
Thanks, Tom.    Am keeping with Leonard's design but was curious about it.    The torsion twist is an issue that struck me.   No doubt that significant study would be required.    Thanks for your position.     John Reinking/Woodinville, WA

The DE takes the torsion in the 4 lift struts.  The d cell is lagniappes...

The DE wing has been fully analyzed by aeronautical engineers.
Title: Re: Main Spar question (just curious)
Post by: John Reinking on July 29, 2016, 12:55:54 PM
Thanks, Dan, again just curious.   So much to learn  about "aircraft".
Title: Re: Main Spar question (just curious)
Post by: Tom H on July 30, 2016, 08:21:18 AM
Dan, never heard the word lagniappes, I had to go to Wikipedia to see what it meant.  On the Eagle wings, I would have to agree with that.
Title: Re: Main Spar question (just curious)
Post by: Dan_ on July 30, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
I took a job in Lafayette Louisiana back in the early 80's...


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American French, from American Spanish la ñapa the lagniappe, from la + ñapa, yapa, from Quechua yapa something added
 

First Known Use: 1844

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